tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post4212502471505694134..comments2024-01-30T04:57:48.673-05:00Comments on Second Mile Sandusky Scandal: No Coincidence, Part 1 - Corbett's Feud With SpanierBarry Bozemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03484041114078117845noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-15984897573994794002018-01-18T00:21:15.835-05:002018-01-18T00:21:15.835-05:00Ray - Interesting coincidence if tipster, Houser, ...Ray - Interesting coincidence if tipster, Houser, was a York County cop. Eshbach is from York County, where last year she was defeated in the DA primary. <br /><br />Eshbach worked in the York County DA's office from 1988 to 2000. Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-67203429366208915022018-01-15T23:59:42.183-05:002018-01-15T23:59:42.183-05:00JJ,
Facts:
Several trustees overheard Corbett say ...JJ,<br />Facts:<br />Several trustees overheard Corbett say (in October 2010) that if elected governor he would have Spanier fired.<br /><br />Corbett didn't know in October 2010 that there would be a budget battle. Why would he know that? <br /><br />Seriously, do you think there was a well-thought out playbook for this? <br /><br />Corbett saw the education budget as a way to get back at Spanier. There's more to that story -- but since PennLive didn't write about it you have no idea what it is.<br /><br />As I wrote in the blog, AG Corbett's investigators got subpoena's to track down people who were commenting in the chat room. DVN Jr's column states that Mike's brother told Houser about what Mike witnessed. <br /><br />Again, you have to read more than just the Harrisburg propaganda machine to be aware of this information.<br /><br />BTW, you can find evidence of Eshbach having information about 1998 in other sources (aside from the Moulton Report and PennLive). Good luck.<br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-61179514958167691622018-01-11T21:09:48.970-05:002018-01-11T21:09:48.970-05:00Well, can you make sure that this is the right Chr...Well, can you make sure that this is the right Chris Houser. Your free to check the alumni directory.<br /><br />I do not see anyone from OAG having that earlier. That said, there are several people that were involved in 1998. OAG may have heard of an incident, but had no documentation. The DA's Office had nothing on it. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-56427846136351394502018-01-11T13:03:35.281-05:002018-01-11T13:03:35.281-05:00Ray, you said this, in so many words: "Mike ...Ray, you said this, in so many words: "Mike Gillum, who was in contact with Jonelle Eshbach throughout the investigation, confirmed the 1998 incident was known in 2009 -- but the OAG sat on the lead."<br /><br />There does not seem to be any confirmation of that. <br /><br />Again, you claim a Spanier/Corbett feud, and imply Houser was somehow planted by the OAG, in 11/10. "All the OAG needed Houser to do was send in a tip on McQueary (because it already knew what happened in 2001)."<br /><br />The funding battle, which you cite, didn't happen to March of 2011. How would Corbett know that there would be budget battle in March of 2011, in November of 2010? <br /><br />Further, how would Corbett, or anyone at OAG, know that McQueary, Jr. (Mike's brother) would tell Houser about what his brother Mike saw? <br /><br /><br />JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-39489051068284756632018-01-11T12:49:26.582-05:002018-01-11T12:49:26.582-05:0011/9/11 was the first meeting where Corbett showed...11/9/11 was the first meeting where Corbett showed up (that doesn't speak to well of Corbett's interest in PSU). Being a member ex officio does mean that you are magically transported to the meeting.<br /><br />The press release was the one written by Graham Spanier, so I think it was a load of crap. It was used as a ground for McQueary's suit against PSU, successfully.<br /><br />Again, according to Spanier, he resigned and certainly received a substantial severance package. While I have heard multiple reasons for removing Paterno from the BoT, can you cite those for Spanier? <br /><br />Once again, why do you feel a need to defend Spanier? JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-28036684448722194502018-01-11T12:20:25.322-05:002018-01-11T12:20:25.322-05:00JJ,
You claim things I wrote are inaccurate becaus...JJ,<br />You claim things I wrote are inaccurate because of your assumptions about the case -- not what actually happened.<br /><br />Corbett finally showed up on 11/9/11. INCORRECT. Corbett became an ex officio member of the BOT the moment he was sworn in as governor. He was in communication with members of the BOT, notably Surma, prior to 11/9/11.<br /><br />The press release story is a load of crap. Spanier was going to get fired no matter what he did. BTW, the BOT gave about six different reasons for firing him between November 2011 and April 2012? It had to bring in PR flack Lanny Davis to finally settle on the reason. <br /><br />The above is all documented in BOT emails.<br /><br />Spanier was Corbett's target all along. Paterno was collateral damage.<br /><br />But, hey, you're entitled to your opinion. If you want to believe what the newspapers wrote, go ahead. Just don't try to use it as evidence for what actually happened in this case.<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-85343265087585695512018-01-11T12:13:00.075-05:002018-01-11T12:13:00.075-05:00JJ,
I didn't say the Moulton Report showed the...JJ,<br />I didn't say the Moulton Report showed the AG had the report in 2009. For that you have to do other research on the case and ask the people involved. One of those people was Mike Gillum, who wrote that Eshbach and Rossman (in June 2009) HAD EVIDENCE about an incident occurring in 1998 but were NOT AT LIBERTY TO DISCLOSE it. DPW records from 1998 have never been part of the evidence in this case, therefore the evidence was the 1998 police report.<br /><br />Second, my blogpost incorrectly reported Houser's first name. It's Christopher, not Christian. He was a York County cop and now resides in Southeastern PA, though I am not aware of the exact town name.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-69704189432436882352018-01-11T12:07:00.146-05:002018-01-11T12:07:00.146-05:00JJ,
I'm familiar with the transcripts and you ...JJ,<br />I'm familiar with the transcripts and you won't find Feudale's instructions about non-disclosure to Spanier.<br /><br />A lot went on before the proceedings were put on the record.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-56695719597632995382018-01-11T12:04:50.494-05:002018-01-11T12:04:50.494-05:00JJ,
Baldwin's testimony against these men was ...JJ,<br />Baldwin's testimony against these men was tossed because she violated attorney-client privilege. Baldwin's testimony can't be taken at face value, considering the reason she was testifying against Spanier was to save her own skin because she would be charged for obstruction of justice.<br /><br />Good gracious. Roberto asked a PRESS OFFICIAL if she was aware the University was under a non-disclosure agreement from February 2010. Do you think Roberto was just making that up?<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-35566908057307153502018-01-11T00:29:06.177-05:002018-01-11T00:29:06.177-05:00Ray, I think you have the wrong Houser. There is ...Ray, I think you have the wrong Houser. There is a Christian Houser that lives in Centre County and works at Penn State; the family appears to have been there for a while. <br /><br />He was the first name that came up when I Googled the name and on some lists the only one that over 16 in 2010, and has any association with Pennsylvania. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-19726031246645217692018-01-10T23:43:20.822-05:002018-01-10T23:43:20.822-05:00Ray, you have posted things that are, as best, ina...Ray, you have posted things that are, as best, inaccurate, and you are being called on it.<br /><br />I don't know how ANYONE could that saying Corbett had a great deal to do with removing Paterno could be considered "acting as a propaganda machine for the Commonwealth." It certainly does not put Corbett in a very good light. <br /><br />The problem with the "Corbett/Spanier feud" is that the BoT had reached a decision to end their relationship with Spanier prior to 11/9/11, when Corbett finally showed up. They had been looking at it on 11/6/11. It was, in part, because of Spanier's press release that expressed support for Curley and Schultz.<br /><br />Corbett's role in removing Spanier was minor; his role in removing Paterno was much more substantial. The method of Spanier's removal, permitting him to resign, was justified, if not overly generous. The way Paterno was removed was not.<br /><br />I think it is interesting that you feel a need to defend Spanier to the extent you are. <br /><br /> JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-53631138016291086642018-01-10T23:12:55.687-05:002018-01-10T23:12:55.687-05:00Ray, the Moulton Report indicates that the police ...Ray, the Moulton Report indicates that the police had the police report on 1/2/2011, It also notes "According to Fina, he remembers receiving a partial copy of this report on an informal basis somewhat earlier than January 3, most likely in November or December 2010." (p. 65)<br /><br />Now, "November or December 2010" is not 2009.<br /><br />Please state where you think the Moulton Report says that the police report was received by OAG prior to November 2010. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-65062284378196593632018-01-10T22:19:52.483-05:002018-01-10T22:19:52.483-05:00JJ,
You wrote:
The supposed feud however was clear...JJ,<br />You wrote:<br />The supposed feud however was clearly not the cause of Spanier's removal. The BoT was discussing it on 11/6/11 and on a conference call on 11/8. Guess who was not at the meeting or on the conference call, Corbett.<br /><br />I think Corbett had a great deal to do with Paterno's removal, but very little to do with Spanier's removal.<br /><br />At a meeting with former PSU football players in January 2013, Corbett told them his intention was to remove Spanier and that was the reason for his remark "remember the little boy in the shower."<br /><br />However, Corbett wanted both of them removed. <br /><br />According to multiple sources, Corbett told Surma:<br /><br />"“You must act because my reputation is at stake.”<br /><br />Then he threatened him:<br /><br />“If you don’t do this (remove Spanier and fire Paterno) then you will lose my support in Harrisburg!”<br /><br />I've been investigating this case for six years. Conversely, you've been swallowing the crap written about it and then acting as a propaganda machine for the Commonwealth.<br /><br />You've done the same with the Gricar case.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-63898542654188542332018-01-10T22:12:55.516-05:002018-01-10T22:12:55.516-05:00Tim and JJ,
As the feud between Spanier and Corbet...Tim and JJ,<br />As the feud between Spanier and Corbett heated up, then Governor Corbett was a member of the PSU BOT -- and in contact with many trustees, including John Surma.<br /><br />Surma and other trustees wanted rid of Paterno. Corbett wanted rid of Spanier...and so did other trustees. <br /><br />Quid pro quo. <br /><br />The AG knew of Houser's animous toward Paterno. Easy to see how they could use him as a pawn.<br /><br />JJ,<br />FYI -- Houser is not from State College and didn't graduate from PSU in 2012. He was formerly employed as a policeman in York County until he was shot and injured on the job. He lives outside York, PA.<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-52560005520869437822018-01-10T22:08:15.939-05:002018-01-10T22:08:15.939-05:00JJ,
The Moulton Report confirmed that Fina knew ab...JJ,<br />The Moulton Report confirmed that Fina knew about the 1998 PSU police report BEFORE it was recovered on January 3, 2011.<br /><br />Mike Gillum, who was in contact with Jonelle Eshbach throughout the investigation, confirmed the 1998 incident was known in 2009 -- but the OAG sat on the lead.<br /><br />But everyone still seemingly believes the 1998 report was recovered on Jan 3, 2011.<br /><br />BTW, the Schultz file couldn't have been hidden by Schultz in his drawer because he wasn't even a PSU employee when he was subpoenaed -- and he didn't have access to his desk.<br /><br />The dates that evidence was found or turned over were falsified -- and the blame shifted onto Curley, Schultz, and Spanier.<br /><br />The Moulton Report confirmed the emails were in possession of the police in July 2011. They weren't not found by Louis Freeh - as he claimed.<br /><br />Cynthia Baldwin had access to every record in the Schultz file and in the former office of Wendell Courtney. If you think that the OAG didn't know about 2001 until the anonymous tip, then I have a bridge to sell you.<br /><br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-54550887042370686462018-01-10T20:58:21.371-05:002018-01-10T20:58:21.371-05:00Tim, you assume that the police approached McQuear...Tim, you assume that the police approached McQueary about sexting. You saying it does not make it so. <br /><br />It is unlikely the police would contact McQueary about sexting, because is that sexting is legal, so long as it between adults. <br /><br />Yes, he was involved on November 9th, 2011. The BoT was discussing it on November 6th, 2011. Spanier had already agreed to go by the 11/9/11 meeting and has indicated that he resigned. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-2136712845782550092018-01-10T20:40:53.029-05:002018-01-10T20:40:53.029-05:00Ray, you are claiming that this was some plot to g...Ray, you are claiming that this was some plot to get Spanier.<br /><br />Neither Houser, nor anyone at OAG, knew if this ever got to Spanier. There WAS evidence, but it was the stuff locked in the VP of Finance's office. Schultz, who put it there, didn't know if it was still there in January 2011. <br /><br />Spanier was not even charged until 2012. <br /><br />A plot to take out Paterno? Well, Houser had no idea if the 2001 incident was reported by Paterno; he may not have known that McQueary even told Paterno. It turns out that Paterno DID report it properly.<br /><br />Houser may or may not have been a Paterno critic, but Spanier is not Paterno.<br /><br />So how do they use Houser, who does not seem to be aligned with Corbett, to "get" Spanier. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-11048963485084921312018-01-10T20:35:54.320-05:002018-01-10T20:35:54.320-05:00JJ - If the police did approach McQueary about sex...JJ - If the police did approach McQueary about sexting in 2010, then they must have believed it was criminal. If it is unwanted, sexting can be criminal harassment even if the person receiving it is over 18. <br /><br />The article does provide evidence that Corbett played a role in getting Spanier removed as President, i.e. <br /><br />"Later in 2013, after Corbett filed a lawsuit against the NCAA, he told a group of former PSU football players that his statement at the November 9, 2011 trustee meeting, "remember that boy in the shower," was directed toward the Board's decision to fire Spanier."Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-34585183320744849532018-01-10T20:07:41.915-05:002018-01-10T20:07:41.915-05:00Roberto, the attorney, asks a question. The witne...Roberto, the attorney, asks a question. The witness says he's not aware of it. That is not a nondisclosure statement.<br /><br />Baldwin in her testimony before the grand jury, answered this question about it: <br /><br />"Q. At no time during the interview [with Feudale] was he told, in any way, shape or form that it was secret. He couldn't talk about it or anything like that.<br /><br />[Baldwin]: "There was no such admonition."<br /><br />It is p. 133 here: http://www.dauphincounty.org/government/Court-Departments/Curley-Schultz-Spanier/Documents/December%2017,%202013%20-%20Exhibits%20of%20Pre-Trial%20Proceedings%20(1).pdf<br /><br />Bladwin also indicated that she told Spanier via e-mail that he could reveal his own testimony. <br /><br />Transcripts of Spanier's testimony and of Baldwin's pre testimony meeting with Feudale, are available. I am NOT aware of any place in those where Feudale ever told Spanier or Baldwin that Sppanier's testimony was secret. If you would find something that does, I'd be interested. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-82465102800696135502018-01-10T16:44:08.223-05:002018-01-10T16:44:08.223-05:00Tim, unless there was someone under 18 involved, s...Tim, unless there was someone under 18 involved, sexting is not criminal. You can rule out an investigation.<br /><br />Police do get scooped by reporters. It would be no big thing, and would not require using Houser.<br /><br />Illegal methods would invalidate any charge.<br /><br />Yes, the first meeting was in the parking lot. They spoke to McQueary by phone to set up the meeting. <br /><br />The supposed feud however was clearly not the cause of Spanier's removal. The BoT was discussing it on 11/6/11 and on a conference call on 11/8. Guess who was not at the meeting or on the conference call, Corbett.<br /><br />I think Corbett had a great deal to do with Paterno's removal, but very little to do with Spanier's removal. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-35415870202483484172018-01-10T15:54:50.451-05:002018-01-10T15:54:50.451-05:00JJ _ You didn't read my previous reply where I...JJ _ You didn't read my previous reply where I speculated that the police may have approached McQueary in 2010 about his sexting, and he told them his Sandusky story to get off the hook for the sexting. The OAG couldn't make public that they stumbled onto key witness McQueary when investigating McQueary for possible sex crimes. <br /><br />There are other plausible explanations. Perhaps a reporter reading the football blog notified the police about McQueary. The OAG wouldn't want it known that they were scooped by a reporter so they could have got Houser to take credit for the tip. <br /><br />Another possibility is that the OAG found McQueary through illegal methods, such as phone surveillance without a warrant, and needed a legitimate cover story about how they found him. <br /><br />McQueary testified he knew what the police wanted when they showed up in Nov. 2010, so if he had contacted them previously, he perjured himself. <br /><br />The Corbett-Spanier feud occurred well before Spanier's resignation. During his campaign for governor, Corbett got mad when he saw Spanier with his opponent. Corbett was later mad at Spanier for opposing his more than 50% cut in state aid to PSU. He got even madder when Spanier beat him and the 50% cut was drastically reduced. <br /><br />Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-24485608407254166722018-01-10T14:37:52.082-05:002018-01-10T14:37:52.082-05:00Tim, if the OAG didn't find out about McQueary...Tim, if the OAG didn't find out about McQueary from Houser's tip, where did they get that? There was no police report; the printed e-mails are in a locked file cabinet in the office of the VP for Finance.<br /><br />McQueary could have come to them directly, if he knew of an investigation. Same with anybody else who knew. Why would they have to go through Houser? <br /><br />I think that there was no long range plan about Paterno. I think Corbett thought he'd make political points by pushing Paterno out. There was a lot of public support for ending Paterno's tenure, at least at the end of the season.<br /><br />Further, none of deals with any Spanier/Corbett feud. By the time Corbett showed up, Spanier had submitted his resignation. JJ.in.Philahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06070053259377152041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-79187726382925273752018-01-10T14:10:01.927-05:002018-01-10T14:10:01.927-05:00Ray - If the OAG got a complaint from someone who ...Ray - If the OAG got a complaint from someone who McQueary was sexting in 2010, then that would have given them a reason to approach him then.<br /><br />It's your conspiracy theory that "All the OAG needed Houser to do was send in a tip on McQueary."<br /><br />I'm just trying to come up with a plausible motive. Do you have a better motive for OAG to want Houser to send in a tip?Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-73031935741753107222018-01-10T13:00:08.318-05:002018-01-10T13:00:08.318-05:00Tim,
The subpoena for the cell phones of the footb...Tim,<br />The subpoena for the cell phones of the football staff was issued in February 2011, therefore the OAG didn't know about Mike's sexting until after they contacted him in November.<br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-4184978476687613742018-01-10T09:10:35.446-05:002018-01-10T09:10:35.446-05:00JJ,
Seriously?
You are arguing out of complete ...JJ,<br />Seriously? <br /><br />You are arguing out of complete ignorance. I know what Houser's "handle" was and I know he was a Paterno critic.<br /><br />It doesn't matter if Houser knew what McQueary told Paterno or any of the other things you are brought up. All the OAG needed Houser to do was send in a tip on McQueary (because it already knew what happened in 2001).<br /><br />Just like it knew what happened in 1998 well before it (allegedly) obtained the 1998 police report from PSU on January 3, 2011.<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.com