tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post5835471443538899911..comments2024-01-30T04:57:48.673-05:00Comments on Second Mile Sandusky Scandal: Patriot News Acceptance of TSM's Excuses for Not Reporting 2001 Incident Doesn't Pass The TestBarry Bozemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03484041114078117845noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-29167202410758097392013-12-08T18:27:03.332-05:002013-12-08T18:27:03.332-05:00Mike4949,
The fact that you are not concerned with...Mike4949,<br />The fact that you are not concerned with the actions of John McQueary and Dr. Dranov is quite a tell.<br /><br />Two trained medical professionals hear a first hand account of what Mike McQueary witnessed within minutes (John McQueary) or an hour (Dr Dranov) of the event and YOU believe Paterno not calling the cops the next morning put a child in danger.<br /><br />Well, if so, why wasn't Sandusky charged with kidnapping? That would seem to be the logical conclusion drawn by your "concern" about the welfare of the child 12 hours later with Paterno and 36 hours later with Curley/Schultz. <br /><br />I've not seen you mention kidnapping here. So what gives?<br /><br />I'll tell you what gives. You are a fraud. A fraud who doesn't know the first thing about compliant victimization and PSOs like Sandusky. The only time a PSO like Sandusky would physically harm a victim is likely NEVER. At most, Sandusky would threaten him if he intended to break off the relationship or threaten to disclose the abuse. Obviously, that didn't happen with this victim (if in fact, the V2 who got paid by PSU is this victim).<br /><br />You could care less about protecting children, otherwise you'd be screaming that John McQueary should be in a cell next to Sandusky. He's the guy who advised Mike, within minutes of Mike witnessing a child (using your term) in "danger" with Sandusky, to "get out of there." To leave that child unprotected.<br /><br />You're only concerned with the actions of 4 people - who all got a second hand or third hand report long after the incident -- which by law - would be reported to DPW, not the police.<br /><br />Again, you are a fraud.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-85636539165787679072013-12-08T17:43:06.913-05:002013-12-08T17:43:06.913-05:00I deleted you because you are making a FALSE argum...I deleted you because you are making a FALSE argument using many FALSE arguments. <br /><br />J. McQueary at the prelim used the same stupid, planted by the OAG words, "sexual nature" then said he couldn't describe it "because I wasn't there."<br /><br /><br />Dranov did not call them sex sounds.<br /><br />Lenny Moore - talk about hearsay. Inadmissible.<br /><br />Paterno - equivocated a million times. Inadmissible.<br /><br />Schultz - made it clear that McQueary didn't provide any details.<br /><br />What you are arguing is about as factual as a newspaper column written by Sara Ganim. In other words, nothing you wrote was accurate.<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-24735265196343392272013-12-08T17:35:39.910-05:002013-12-08T17:35:39.910-05:00MIke,
I've never conceded anything to you and ...MIke,<br />I've never conceded anything to you and I most certainly NEVER would (in a million years) agree that anything warranting a call to the police happened in the showers in 2001. If something of that nature occurred, most assuredly John McQueary would have advised MIKE to immediately call the police from the locker room (and not told him to come home).<br /><br />Here's what I'll concede to you. The fact that you used the word RAPE in conjunction with the 2001 incident means you don't know the facts of the case. The jury disagrees with you as does every other piece of evidence and people's actions on that night in 2001.<br /><br />ALSO, YOU ARE COMPLETELY INCORRECT to cite the law regarding child abuse reporting in public schools because PSU is not a public school. A public school is defined in the Public School Act of 1949 and does not include universities. In addition, under PA law, a student is defined as someone attending a public school from Kindergarten up to age 17. That definition excludes PSU.<br /><br />You have no idea what you are talking about and if you truly cared about children, you would be focused on 1998, not 2001.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-88026231409384393542013-12-07T11:26:14.149-05:002013-12-07T11:26:14.149-05:00Let's see, we have Dick Thornburgh saying he s...Let's see, we have Dick Thornburgh saying he supports Corbett for reelection, we have Kane stonewalling Graham Spanier's request for a Bill of Particulars. Yet how can this be? These two people claim to want to right the wrongs against PSU and Paterno.<br /><br />I think the evidence of state government wrong-doing that Ray and John Z. uncover is simply being accumulated and studied by Kane for purposes of preparing and building a defense against it. Otherwise, there should be action against those that have fabricated evidence for the Freeh report. And all these bogus victims lawsuits against PSU are based on the Freeh report untruths. Wasn't it Fina and Kelly that concocted this janitor "witness" story for Corbett? So why is Kane not making a move to charge them?Truthseekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434780738644463324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-17187413112283677552013-12-06T17:14:35.335-05:002013-12-06T17:14:35.335-05:00And I meant "only cared about football and no...And I meant "only cared about football and not people..." with the highest degree of sarcasm...<br />Bodhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193018473889012963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-1396408972872887142013-12-06T14:45:06.046-05:002013-12-06T14:45:06.046-05:00Here's just one more reminder that Joe Paterno...Here's just one more reminder that Joe Paterno only cared about football and not people....Perhaps this isn't the place to share this, but it deserves to be seen. <br /><br />http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-presents/0ap2000000292459/NFL-Films-Presents-The-shirt-off-his-backBodhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193018473889012963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-75139649107543390512013-12-03T17:25:55.225-05:002013-12-03T17:25:55.225-05:00@Tim Berton. That's complete nonsense. Mike ...@Tim Berton. That's complete nonsense. Mike knew noting was coming in 2010. He was completley surprised when the cops approached him out of the blue in early Nov 2011 and knew nothing was coming at any time prior. Whatever Joe meant by for two years they did nothing is a mystery, but the guy was pretty damned far from fully coherent at the time he made the statement. Joe touched base with Mike possibly once a year during the decade but Mike never gave him any greater detail than what was in his original report in 2001 (which was close to nothing), and that's almost certainly becuase he never knew any greater detail than what was inhis original report.mhentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17177731477541716848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-57848665352109257392013-12-02T23:14:30.830-05:002013-12-02T23:14:30.830-05:00Mr. Verrnon: I can relate and sympathize completel...Mr. Verrnon: I can relate and sympathize completely with your experience that you have related here about your dying father. My father past about 6 years ago from leukemia. As you describe, these courageous old timers continue to put forth the image of strength and lucidity that they once had. But they are dying and losing their cognitive abilities. It's not so clear to those that don't know them well. But to the sons and daughter's they've loved and raised, it becomes painfully obvious they are struggling terribly, because we truly know who they are. <br /> <br />These great older folks were raised in an era of honor that clearly doesn't exist any longer. Most of them put truthfulness and honor over everything else, even money. They had integrity. No one from their time period, would ever, in their worst nightmares, take such a great kind heart of a man as Paterno, and literally lie so blatantly and unconscionably so as to put blame on him for things he knew nothing about.<br /><br /> Paterno was a vulnerable target for the ruthlessness of a corrupt PA government, under Tom Corbett, looking for a scapegoat. To exploit his age, his illness, and his unsuspecting good nature is beyond criminal, it's simply evil. Mr. Paterno gave his life and his heart to the people of Pennsylvania, and this is how his own government repays him? It truly is a tragedy of epic proportions that even Kathleen Kane is too afraid to expose. It is so unfathomably evil, Kane is simply trying to squash it. She shows us she does not have the courage to fight this kind of evil, and she is merely protecting her employer, the state of Pennsylvania. <br /><br />The latest is the PA Attorney General, Kathleen Kane, is attempting to deny Spanier's request for a Bill of Particulars which is information he needs to bring an effective defamation suit against Freeh. This is proof of Ms. Kane's intentions. She is of this morally bankrupt generation that functions with little conscience and a whole lot of fear. She says one thing, yet serves to protect those responsible for the lynching of an honest man. She is protecting the evil and giving it strength by doing so. And so she is weakening her very moral fiber and her own state as she does what she claims is right.<br /><br />Maybe it's good Joe is no longer here to see what we have allowed our selves to become. Truthseekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434780738644463324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-17054859161520143402013-12-02T20:08:28.604-05:002013-12-02T20:08:28.604-05:00What we heard from Joe in his last months was a ve...What we heard from Joe in his last months was a very sick 85 year man trying to understand what was going on, and was unable to do so. He was much sicker than anyone imagined for his last year. I spent a lot of time with my dad as he was dying of cancer. He seemed to be functioning normally months before his death, but he was not. It became terribly obvious that his brain was shutting down.<br /><br />After reading Sally Jenkins article after she interviewed this sick man, I became ill. Maybe I should pray for the salvation of Sally's soul, as she is destined for the fires of hell.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946697156007688080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-22861988436112154532013-12-02T11:25:44.994-05:002013-12-02T11:25:44.994-05:00You know, in a way, these excessive nonsensical ra...You know, in a way, these excessive nonsensical rants by trolls are a testament to the fact that this blog of Ray's is beginning to have an effect on public opinion. I think the public, and Kathleen Kane are standing back and saying, "you know what, this evidence that Ray and John are presenting just can't be ignored any longer".Truthseekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434780738644463324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-53062600485133912562013-12-01T22:26:19.860-05:002013-12-01T22:26:19.860-05:00MHentz - The 2012 Paterno -Moore conversation indi...MHentz - The 2012 Paterno -Moore conversation indicates that two years prior in 2010, Paterno went to Spanier and told him everything he knew. That suggests that Paterno learned more details from Mike McQueary in 2010 after Mike spoke to police or prosecutors. <br /><br />It seems quite natural that McQueary would have gone to his mentor and boss in 2010 to warn him of what was coming. McQueary likely felt he owed Paterno a head up because knew that he told Paterno a deliberately vague story in 2001. <br /><br />Paterno was mad that Spanier did nothing with the 2010 warning to defuse the situation, and there was much that could have been done from a PR standpoint in 2010 and 2011.Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-39896373836055667462013-12-01T18:55:18.025-05:002013-12-01T18:55:18.025-05:00I have had several lengthy conversations with 49er...I have had several lengthy conversations with 49ermike ... he bases his entire argument on the Lenny Moore story. He seems to think that the fact that McQueary wasn't hired as a fulltime coach after the 2000 season has something to do with the 2001 shower incident ... nevermind the fact that young Mike had exactly ONE year as a grad asst. under his belt. Mike is also under the impression that the 2000 janitor incident was ruled inadmissible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-17974675534252455262013-12-01T15:13:24.789-05:002013-12-01T15:13:24.789-05:00Mike, you are f-ing insane!!!!!!! Your mischarate...Mike, you are f-ing insane!!!!!!! Your mischaraterizations of Joe's convo with Lenny Moore go beyond mere mistskes and fall into the realm of flat out lies. You're mischaracterization of yourself as a defender of Joe is a flat out lie. Your mischaracterization of truthseeker as a guy out to destroy Joe's legacy is a flat out lie. I've seen nothing in Ray's writings anywhere, either here or elsewhere, to suggest that he agrees with you on anything to do with Joe's involvement in the 2001 incident and your sugeesting he does is a flat out lie. Your veiled threats have not gone unnoticed. You're earlier straw man argument over how things might have been different if the boy in the shower had been one of Joe's grandchildren is matched in its disgracefulness only by its patheticness. Your lies are patholigical, You're sick, man. Merry Christmas my f-ing ass, you need to be locked up for the sake of all humanity.mhentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17177731477541716848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-4554734472103002282013-12-01T14:52:43.647-05:002013-12-01T14:52:43.647-05:00Mike, I just re-read that story on Lenny Moore, bo...Mike, I just re-read that story on Lenny Moore, both versions I could find, and Joe didn't say anything remotely like he knew in 2001 that Sandusky “….was a sexual predator who had to be stopped – immediately without hesitation.” Nothing like that whatsoever. He did say, "Lenny, when I found out about what was going on in the shower, it blew me away. Then when I found out all of what I knew, I went to (Penn State president Graham) Spanier, who’s my head; I went to the athletic director (Tim Curley); I told them everything I knew. And I left it alone." Well, he didn't tell them much at all what was happening in that shower since McQueary, by his own admission, did not tell him much about what was happening in that shower (probably because he didn't actually see much about what was happening in that shower - but that's a different coversation for a different kitchen). If you believe that McQueary did go into a great amount of detail with Joe on the matter than you must believe that McQueary lied under oath at the Curley/Schultz prelim about what he told Joe, and if that's where you want to go with it I will not stop you.<br /><br />Another lie of omission is that you neglect to mention that Joe was making these statements n 2012 with the full knowledge of the charges brought against Sandusky by the AG as detailed in the grand jury presentment. They were NOT statemetnts made contemperanious to the events in 2001. The knowledge of the charges against Sandusky would obviously have colored his thinking on the matter and may likley have shaped his memory on it, which we know was faulty in any event since he told Moore that he went directly to Spanier in 2001 and we know from all avaialable evidence that he did no such thing. <br /><br />In 2001, Joe did not know that Sandusky was a monster who had to be taken off the streets immediately and you telling anyone that Joe indicated that to Moore is a flat out lie. You must stop lying to Ray's readers and anyone else you're spouting your nonsense to.<br /><br />mhentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17177731477541716848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-86185716601841438802013-12-01T11:03:52.881-05:002013-12-01T11:03:52.881-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mike4949https://www.blogger.com/profile/08195713124716804387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-85745801962612789092013-12-01T08:34:17.677-05:002013-12-01T08:34:17.677-05:00Dear Mike4949,
You are still mean spirited, nasty,...Dear Mike4949,<br />You are still mean spirited, nasty, calling people names & yelling at all of us.<br />You are beyond the PALE! <br />You have not even considered or mentioned all the work that Eileen Morgan has done with<br />Respect to 2001 MM Victim 2 Shower Incident.<br />These are FACT about YOU, I am pretty sure of, not 100% sure though.<br />Ray is NOT your Brother and can speak for himself.<br />Left handed Comments are just unnecessary.<br />Christmas, Biblical References & the Bible have no business in the posts .<br />I’m surprised you did NOT bring up “I’m a father of two small boys”<br />Your RANTS put everyone off like “Dorothy in the Poppies”<br />You are totally disrespectful of Joe Paterno & The Paterno Family.<br />Thank-you for Not saying bad things about Franco or John Z.<br />Most of what you have said about (2001) is Anachronistic!<br />The Closest I do to calling you a name is, I think you belong to <br /><br />“THE ROYAL ORDER OF THE EQUINE RUMP”<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Chuck O’Connor<br />Charlieo444https://www.blogger.com/profile/11192976953505798999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-66666256524738822122013-12-01T03:10:35.967-05:002013-12-01T03:10:35.967-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mike4949https://www.blogger.com/profile/08195713124716804387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-12911219394039795332013-12-01T02:45:14.757-05:002013-12-01T02:45:14.757-05:00To Ray,
I realize that a controversial topic like...To Ray,<br /><br />I realize that a controversial topic like this is bound to attracts trolls of different colors. I can't tell you who to block and who to let go, but Mike 4949 crosses the line to my mind. His comments are clearly intended to provoke, and he repeatedly distorts statements from other writers. I come to this site to find information the mainstream media is avoiding, not to read such petty rants as "For shame, my friendless, childless, jobless, morally impaired eunuch!" Please consider banning him from the site.Nick and Marikohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06817832020390342972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-34913150930765510782013-11-30T21:20:24.109-05:002013-11-30T21:20:24.109-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mike4949https://www.blogger.com/profile/08195713124716804387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-28307155854875837602013-11-30T20:57:13.335-05:002013-11-30T20:57:13.335-05:00Mike4949: Load of B.S., you're just shill and...Mike4949: Load of B.S., you're just shill and a heckler. Get a real job!Truthseekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434780738644463324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-77162182105079494032013-11-30T16:11:06.596-05:002013-11-30T16:11:06.596-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mike4949https://www.blogger.com/profile/08195713124716804387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-68228793633950220312013-11-30T14:56:36.599-05:002013-11-30T14:56:36.599-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mike4949https://www.blogger.com/profile/08195713124716804387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-46327722143461567952013-11-30T14:46:54.879-05:002013-11-30T14:46:54.879-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mike4949https://www.blogger.com/profile/08195713124716804387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-21061931195950944232013-11-30T14:38:52.620-05:002013-11-30T14:38:52.620-05:00So let's say Joe Paterno is guilty as charged,...So let's say Joe Paterno is guilty as charged, by you.<br /><br />He was fired, not allowed to make his statement, diagnosed with cancer, died, his statue taken down, his name removed from awards and buildings, his wins record rescinded, the university that he financially supported has lost millions due to his perceived wrongdoing, and his legacy of academic achievement by his athletes no longer is honored.<br /><br />Mike4949, what punishment would you like to see laid on Joe Paterno today? rdkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11007253694089460950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-77511198141545720242013-11-30T12:56:04.917-05:002013-11-30T12:56:04.917-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mike4949https://www.blogger.com/profile/08195713124716804387noreply@blogger.com