tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post8418979514348478146..comments2024-01-30T04:57:48.673-05:00Comments on Second Mile Sandusky Scandal: Nassar: No Blame, No OutrageBarry Bozemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03484041114078117845noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-46827926190173255692018-01-24T17:53:25.651-05:002018-01-24T17:53:25.651-05:00Ray - Thanks for the Abel study link. I don't ...Ray - Thanks for the Abel study link. I don't disagree with the Abel data that "male offenders who offended against male children had more victims and more incidents of abuse than male offenders who victimized females." <br /><br />An important caveat is that Abel's data were only based on convicted offenders. We have no idea how many offenders are never caught. <br /><br />In comparing the situations of Nassar and Sandusky, I think Nassar had the far better cover for abuse, he just got too bold, sloppy or desperate. He might never had been caught had he always worn gloves when touching his patients, didn't collect child porn and didn't touch parts of the patient's body that were not hurting. <br /><br />The Nassar scandal is often compared to the Sandusky scandal but I think Nassar better fits as an example of doctors sexually abusing their patients. A 2016 study found 2400 cases of doctors sexually abusing patients. http://abcnews.go.com/US/sex-abuse-scandal-2400-doctors-implicated-patients/story?id=40356840<br /><br />Nassar's cover would have worked with either boys or girls. I think Sandusky would have had far more trouble if he was only interested in girls. Despite the well publicized scandals where boys were abused by priests, scout leaders, Sandusky and Dennis Hastert, the Speaker of the House. I think parents would have been far less likely to allow girls to sleep over in Sandusky's basement. I also think Sandusky would have been arrested in 1998 had he been showering with a girl rather than a boy. <br />Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-784643729554001782018-01-24T13:18:30.054-05:002018-01-24T13:18:30.054-05:00Tim,
One of the problems in this case is the fact ...Tim,<br />One of the problems in this case is the fact that victim after victim complained but, overall, there is a lack of repeat complaints to any one person or specific organization. I will write more about this tonight.<br /><br />Nassar is likely an anomaly because he was a doctor. The Abel study is here: https://www.abusewatch.net/pedophiles.pdf<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-6282984561656291512018-01-24T04:41:03.512-05:002018-01-24T04:41:03.512-05:00I'm not sure the Karolyis have much money. I w...I'm not sure the Karolyis have much money. I wouldn't be surprised if their gym goes bankrupt now that USA Gymnastics has dropped them. The property is tainted by the Nassar scandal so may not be worth much anymore. <br /><br />An agreement to sell their property to USA Gymnastics fell through last year but suggests they may be ready to retire. <br /><br />USA Gymnastics is a nonprofit so I would be surprised if they have deep pockets. Gymnastics is not a big money sport like football or basketball.<br /><br />MSU has the deepest pockets but has claimed sovereign immunity and that the lawsuits were filed beyond the 3 year statute of limitations. <br /><br />Could be the victims get little or nothing.Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-68291836459229539092018-01-23T20:54:26.373-05:002018-01-23T20:54:26.373-05:00Truthseeker - I think the women not being heard an...Truthseeker - I think the women not being heard angle comes from the victim impact statements at the Nassar sentencing hearing. I suspect some of that is scripted by the civil lawyers to force a settlement. It really makes MSU and USA gymnastics look bad when victim after victim complains that their complaints were ignored. Of course, there is no cross-examination and MSU and USA gymnastics do not get a chance to defend themselves. <br /><br />Ray - I don't know about the Abel study but Nassar had a great cover for his abuse by treating girl gymnasts with internal massages of the pelvic floor. <br /><br />I don't know what some of the parents were thinking such as the ones who let their minor daughters go alone to Nassar's apartment to help him with his medical school research on flexibility. As a reward for one 12 year old gymnast (Jane) letting him measure her, he gave her a full body nude massage! She claimed 5 to 7 others also went to Nassar's apt. to help with his "research." I wonder if Nassar ever actually wrote a paper on flexibility of girl gymnasts for his medical degree.Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-40408206496179457112018-01-23T19:56:17.425-05:002018-01-23T19:56:17.425-05:00Truthseeker,
Agree that we can't take much of ...Truthseeker,<br />Agree that we can't take much of what the MSM (or FoxNews) puts out there at face value. FoxNews was right there with the MSM jumping on the Paterno & Spanier culpability for Sandusky bandwagon.<br /><br />You might be right about the MSM trying to use Nassar to focus it as a women's issue -- even though offenders like Nassar and Sandusky commit crimes against both sexes. <br /><br />In a previous blog, I cited a study by Abel that found male offenders who offended against male children had more victims and more incidents of abuse than male offenders who victimized females. The reason is that is socially acceptable for a male, like Sandusky, to be seen with young boys (in a mentoring/coaching relationship) than it is for young girls.<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-79323442655746992552018-01-23T19:50:27.540-05:002018-01-23T19:50:27.540-05:00Karen,
It is likely that the civil attorneys invol...Karen,<br />It is likely that the civil attorneys involved in this case will eventually zero in on the Karolyis -- or whoever has the most money.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-82552376458762043522018-01-23T19:49:33.430-05:002018-01-23T19:49:33.430-05:00Tim,
David Harns of isportsweb is one of the few w...Tim,<br />David Harns of isportsweb is one of the few writers who understands the pillar of the community offender scenario.<br /><br />@DavidHarns on twitterRay Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-40374008845039251152018-01-23T19:45:30.264-05:002018-01-23T19:45:30.264-05:00Carole,
Thanks for your comment and the kind words...Carole,<br />Thanks for your comment and the kind words.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-20133083041823528332018-01-23T16:23:34.436-05:002018-01-23T16:23:34.436-05:00The closest to a famous "fall guy" in th...The closest to a famous "fall guy" in the Nassar case would be Bela and Marta Karolyi. USA Gymnastics has cut ties with the Karolyis (and their ranch where gymnasts trained) because of Nassar's actions there.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945511854058024280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-47178514583446756622018-01-23T15:12:23.464-05:002018-01-23T15:12:23.464-05:00Ray, I like what you're saying about the colum...Ray, I like what you're saying about the columnists trying to portray this Nassar story as a women's equality issue----it simply isn't. Like you say, 'gender isn't the reason for the lack of action or lack of outrage' in the Nassar case. <br /><br />Why would any decent columnist try to push that narrative? Unless they were trying to stir up more anxiety and unrest that women already have over Trump being in the Oval Office, why make women feel that "no one hears them" or no one cares about them"?<br /><br />I think whoever it is that controls what our mainstream media columnists write is attempting to emotionally manipulate the female population into resisting something they instinctively already know to resist. <br /><br />It goes along with what I've been saying about the media-ignited women's marches and resist movement. The globalist mainstream media inspiring women to resist Trump and his asinine behavior and remarks is like inspiring someone to "resist" touching a nest of killer bees---it goes without saying! This white male chauvinist caricature in our Oval Office is to be "resisted". He is intentionally stupid and a misrepresentation of what America, be it white male or not, really is. <br /><br />We simply cannot take any MSM story at face value anymore. We don't know if it's a genuine rape story that's had a spin put on it to emotionally manipulate a particular segment of the population, or if it's a total fraud presented as fact, such as the UVA fraternity gang rape, and the PSU shower child rape factory lie. Truthseekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434780738644463324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-59836383414539974502018-01-23T13:41:58.472-05:002018-01-23T13:41:58.472-05:00Ray - Well said.
The writers on the Nassar scand...Ray - Well said. <br /><br />The writers on the Nassar scandal seem clueless about child sexual abuse. I doubt any have read anything by scholars in the field, such as the Sandusky scandal reports by Jim Clemente and Dr. Fred Berlin or the FBI's Ken Lannings' "Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis." <br /><br />You mentioned that Nassar was a pillar of the community offender. When I plugged that into the Google News search engine along with Nassar's name, this is what I got:<br /><br />"Your search - "larry nassar "pillar of the community"" - did not match any documents"<br /><br />That's proof of the news media's ignorance of the basics of child sexual offenders.<br /><br />I think there is plenty of outrage of the Nassar case, but the case is very different in major ways from Sandusky. Nassar pleaded guilty so avoided a trial. That meant much less coverage. <br /><br />You are spot on about Paterno. The Nassar case had no one as famous as Paterno to blame. It is obvious that the Paterno name drove a lot of the Sandusky coverage. <br /><br />The many bad decisions of the panicked PSU trustees drove coverage of the Sandusky scandal. The MSU trustees, so far, have not panicked and thrown their President under the bus. They are allowing for due process by calling for a review by the Attorney General. Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-16434299736373169962018-01-23T13:33:06.734-05:002018-01-23T13:33:06.734-05:00I agree 100% Ray. "Journalists" give us ...I agree 100% Ray. "Journalists" give us opinion pieces and not factual information. Thank you for your instructive analysis.<br /><br />Carole Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13413452649107579860noreply@blogger.com