tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post4515209455050146438..comments2024-01-30T04:57:48.673-05:00Comments on Second Mile Sandusky Scandal: Do 'missing" witnesses in Sandusky case reveal a "Keystone Cover-Up?"Barry Bozemanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03484041114078117845noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-48783723748336165542014-03-08T21:27:47.965-05:002014-03-08T21:27:47.965-05:00HMCIV,
I forgot to add if you read the police repo...HMCIV,<br />I forgot to add if you read the police report, it says the mother noticed the boy's hair was wet when she went to his bedroom. Chambers told me the mother told her his hair was DRY when he arrived home. Thus, if his hair was wet at bed time, that means he showered a second time just after arriving home.<br /><br />RayRay Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-70873212928972136862014-03-08T18:52:09.146-05:002014-03-08T18:52:09.146-05:00HMCIV,
A family member verified it was TWO showers...HMCIV,<br />A family member verified it was TWO showers.<br /><br />We have not seen the full transcripts of V6's interview, so we don't know the full extent of what he said to police or what BK said to police.<br /><br />Seasock's conversation with Schreffler is instructive. He had no idea about anything and was wrong.<br /><br />I'm not a fan of repressed memory therapy and Victim 6 hasn't changed his story from the original version so far as I can tell.<br /><br />The janitor incident is a hoax. We can agree on that.<br /><br />Good catch on V9's DOB. Unless the courts made a mistake, something is fishy there.<br /><br />Ganim? One of these days I'll do an expose.<br /><br />Thanks for your questions and your digging around.<br /><br />Ray<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-17081453782473832912014-03-08T17:55:25.011-05:002014-03-08T17:55:25.011-05:00Thanks for allowing me to chime in. I commend all ...Thanks for allowing me to chime in. I commend all of you for your work. I also seek the truth.<br /><br />“It” was the bear hug. Schultz’s written notes say another shower that night. According to Freeh & Chambers, he took 1 the next morning. Shultz’s note was based on 5th person info (mother, Chambers, Schreffler, Harmon, Schultz). Likely his notes are wrong & 1st person reports are correct.<br /><br />In 98, there was no “black” part. JS asked V6 if he wanted to shower; he said yes because he was sweaty. JS turned showers on when they entered the locker room. Undressed in separate areas. JS entered shower 1st. V6 entered & went to another shower. V6 was nervous (uncomfortable, felt weird) - he never showered with an adult. JS told V6 to use shower that was warm (beside him). When V6 finished washing HIMSELF, JS bear-hugged him (squeezing guts), they laughed; JS lifted V6 to get the soap out of his hair – again, funny to V6. Shower lasted about 5 minutes. JS turned off showers, they went to separate areas to dress. After dressed, left locker room, got in JS’s car, & JS took V6 home. If JS had picked shower farther away, would it be for a better view of child?<br /><br />More from V6 in 98: Many people asked if JS touched him. He said nothing like this occurred. At no time did he feel something sexual was going to happen. When asked again if he felt he experienced sexual abuse, he said no. When describing sexual abuse, he explained appropriate definition as good touch, bad touch, or when another person touches a child on their penis.<br /><br />Seasock interviewed “cold”, but accessed prior interviews with police & CYS after his interview/before his report. V6 gave “explicitly consistent” interviews to police, CYS, & Seasock – only slight differences. Through previous interviews, it was apparent another coach was present in locker room/shower. (Chambers report says otherwise.) <br /><br />Chambers – V6 “appeared worried & eager to pick up on a PREVIOUS discussion we had”. Police interviewed V6 that day. It’s logical he was anxious.<br /><br />Freeh referenced leaked pgs & 3-4 add’l pgs that weren’t leaked. What’s in the 2 pgs (“I wish I were dead”) that made them “un-leakworthy”? The pgs were chosen. IMO, the rest of the report confirms no abuse occurred - via transcribed, recorded interviews with V6 and BK. Again, confirmed by mother’s actions. Trust me, there are no “conditions” a mother would agree to if she truly thought something inappropriate occurred with her child. Not 1.<br /><br />I have more faith in reports from 98 than what people say (or don’t say) 12 yrs later. Everyone will NOW say they knew or suspected - that’s what people do. Details were cherry picked by the media for reporting. Very few have read more to see logic. I don’t need to explain MM to you.<br /><br />Janitors didn’t report - it was JS, they were afraid for their jobs. Janitor that witnessed the act: fought in war, saw people blown apart; was done working within 1 month; now has dementia; and, didn’t know WHO Sandusky was until afterwards. Tell me again why HE didn’t intervene and why HE was concerned for his job? <br /><br />I’ve read lots on sexual abuse of children, repressed memories / false repressed memories. I suggest you look at the 80’s cases - specifically, actions/tactics of investigators & media, & book “Michelle Remembers”. The JS case is textbook 80’s hysteria child abuse cases, except we have: adult victims, PSP lying under oath (questioning ADULTS as if they were CHILDREN), many attorneys, and LOTS of money. Logic, consistency, credibility & facts are lacking. If it turns out as I think, people will say “I suspected (__) were lying…..”<br /><br />Questions: Who owns the # that received “leaked” police rpt on 3/23/12 at 23:01(425-722-1170)? V9: Surly AG verified DOB’s. Purpose of V9 giving false age/DOB under oath? Can S Ganim be stripped of her award, as JP was stripped of his wins?<br /><br />Keep up the excellent work!HV123https://www.blogger.com/profile/05551046369342656417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-71306014805016721892014-03-04T09:24:20.999-05:002014-03-04T09:24:20.999-05:00HMCIV,
I'll add a few things to answer your qu...HMCIV,<br />I'll add a few things to answer your questions.<br />1. The conversation "I wish I were dead" was in the missing pages, but quoted in the Freeh Report, as was the mother's wish for Sandusky not to attend baseball games.<br /><br />2. Schreffler's police report is his summary of what was said and not entirely accurate. I spoke with Dr. Chambers who told me the mother told her that the boys hair was dry and he brought up the point it was wet. Again, his way of indicating something was wrong.<br /><br />3. At the trial, Victim 6 never disclosed anything more than he did in 1998. He didn't say there was a "bad touch" involved (as I think you were implying).<br /><br />4. "Zero" is his answer in response to Amendola's question if he was testifying for money. Seriously, if Victim 6 was doing this for money, don't you think he'd have embellished his story to get more money?? <br /><br />5. Read my next article about the mother's conditions for her son's contact with Sandusky. <br /><br />6. His failure to disclose abuse is very typical for a pre-teen/teenage boy. You should read Ken Lanning's Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis p. 160-166. That will explain what is going on with Victim 6 and other victims.<br /><br />Good catch on the date. Those dockets are rather recent.<br /><br />Take care,<br />RayRay Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-10281923797819519942014-03-04T08:58:54.131-05:002014-03-04T08:58:54.131-05:00Thanks for your comments.
The Chambers reports sa...Thanks for your comments.<br /><br />The Chambers reports says: "He was visibly anxious repeating, "I don't think he meant anything by it," after repeating what he had reported to his mother.<br /><br />In other words, he repeated the story the mother told Dr. Chambers.<br /><br />What was "it?" As in, "I don't think he meant anything by it?"<br /><br />Why did he take a shower within two hours of showering with Sandusky?<br /><br />What happened after he said things went "black" after Sandusky lifted him up in the shower?<br /><br />The fact of the matter is that the boy did not disclose everything that happened to him because he was concerned about getting Jerry in trouble. That is evident from his comments. Also, Det. Schreffler believed the boy to be withholding information.<br /><br />The police report was 95 pages long -- we saw a dozen pages. We only saw excerpts of Seasock's and Chambers' reports. It would be great to see the rest,but what is available in those reports is a case of child sexual abuse. <br /><br />But don't take my word for it. Take the word of Jerry Lauro.<br /><br />Lauro said if he had read Chambers report, he would have DEFINITELY indicated abuse.<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-10698767598448417432014-03-04T00:59:46.893-05:002014-03-04T00:59:46.893-05:00Ray:
Did we ever find out what happened to the mis...Ray:<br />Did we ever find out what happened to the missing pages of the ‘leaked’ 1998 reports? There were 2 pages missing within the police report and Seasock’s evaluation ended in mid-sentence. I ask because the date you reference for the mother telling Sandusky not to attend any of the boy’s ball games would fall within the missing pages.<br /><br />What I found interesting is that Chambers’ report contained only 19 lines about her conversation with the boy, the rest was information provided by the mother; Seasock had over a page of detail about his discussion with the boy. Given what’s available, the decision not to prosecute was based on what the boy told them at the time, which differed significantly from his testimony. He told all three that nothing sexual happened and was even able to describe sexual abuse to Seasock by using the terms good touch, bad touch (but he forgot that by the time the trial came). He told the police and Seasock that Sandusky asked him if he wanted to shower and he said yes because he did feel sweaty (he didn’t say he coaxed him). His mother was the one who told Chambers about “all the guys do it.” <br /><br />His mother also reported to Chambers that the boy said something like “We took a shower, in case you’re wondering why my hair is wet.” Yet, she reported to the police (the same day) that SHE noticed his hair was wet and asked HIM why it was wet. If his mother was telling two different versions at the time, he probably doesn’t know which one to use. <br /><br />What became of the conversation where Sandusky said to her, “I wish I were dead”? Did that ever pan out? I see a verbatim conversation between Sandusky and the mother in the police report, but it doesn’t come close to the “dead” comment. I also can’t find anything in the 1998 reports that mentions Sandusky lathering the boy up (mother said in one of Ganim’s reports - “Jerry Sandusky admitted to me that he lathered up my son..”?) <br /><br />You say this boy never disclosed the events of the evening, but he did….back in 1998 when it was fresh in his mind. It’s printed in black and white in three reports, but I don’t see a link here to Seasock’s report. After reading all three reports, it’s clear that the boy knew the meaning of sexual abuse and was certain that he was not sexually abused by Sandusky. Personally, I would believe a child, any day of the week, before I would believe an adult when it comes to this. Unfortunately, we are dealing with adults now, not children. <br /><br />The mother allowed her 11 year old child to continue having a relationship with Sandusky until he was 18; after that, he did it willingly up until the Summer of 2011. Ask any mother, “If you suspected that someone sexually abused your 11 year old, would you allow your child to continue seeing that person if they wanted?” I guarantee, the answer will be “NO” 100% of the time.<br /><br />You are willing to believe that all of these people, in all of these different agencies conspired; yet, you never touch on, or consider, what is the most obvious when you look at everything. When someone says things that are consistently fabricated, or are proven to be flat out lies, one should pause and take a closer look at that person. The truth isn’t hard to remember. Let's not forget his ZERO comment in his testimony. <br /><br />On another note, I believe your victim 9’s birth year and age may have been incorrectly reported in the transcripts. I believe it is 1992. If you go to the public unified judicial system website, you will see that there is a young man with the same exact (not common) First, Middle, & Last Name, in the same county, with the SAME birthday….only his birth year is 1992. That would make him a year older….would that even surprise anyone at this point?HV123https://www.blogger.com/profile/05551046369342656417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-16324727733750926002014-03-02T18:09:45.533-05:002014-03-02T18:09:45.533-05:00Lawyers often seem to miss the targets that seem s...Lawyers often seem to miss the targets that seem so obvious to laymen who look at the whole picture instead of focusing on the minutiae of "the law" vs the exposure of The TRUTH. <br /><br />Time and again seeing the transcripts of hearings and trial it was so easy to say "ASK THE QUESTION". It was like watching Dustin Hoffman in SLEEPERS shuffling through a legal pad. Mike McQueary had so many discrepancies in his various testimonies I was astounded when Amendola failed to focus on his contradictions OR to show a blow up of the shower room interior and request a blow by blow of positions. <br /><br />Not that I have much problem with the outcome of the proceedings - I was hopeful that Amedola could at least have demonstrated the absurdity of making this entire situation about PSU. Only Vic 2 the McQueary "victim" who likely was not a victim and the very questionable demented janitor victim really made this about PSU and Paterno. but discrediting that testimony would surely have been the proper defense for Sandusky while going a long long way to expose the absurdity of the Fact FreeH Fiction and the insistence that somehow Joe and PSU were at fault. <br /><br />There must have been a ton of $$$ and power focused on making this about PSU instead of The 2nd Mile, DPW and CYS. The world by in large is somehow certain that all of this was a cover up by PSU when it was actually a cover up by the Republican power structure in PA and the monied elite that funded or profited from The 2nd Mile. The missing witnesses and failure to ask the questions or expose McQueary are clearly a part of that. . Barry Bozemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03484041114078117845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-26145218646869462522014-02-26T22:05:52.659-05:002014-02-26T22:05:52.659-05:00I hope that Moulton will do a better job about 199...I hope that Moulton will do a better job about 1998 than Corbett, Kelly and Freeh. <br /><br />I don't see how the mother could have been accused of slandering Sandusky if she reported the truth to other parents or Second Mile. Sandusky would have had to have been self-destructive to sue her for slander and drag it all out in the spotlight. <br /><br />I agree Chambers should have done a lot more but maybe the mother asked her to let it be. <br /><br />If Chambers had testified maybe victim 6's psychological status would have become an issue. He was being treated by Chambers prior to the Sandusky bear hug. What were his preexisting conditions and did they factor in somehow with his credibility?Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-20652537601468968762014-02-26T19:24:24.497-05:002014-02-26T19:24:24.497-05:00Tim,
I am pretty sure AG Kane's investigator i...Tim,<br />I am pretty sure AG Kane's investigator is talking with those involved in the 1998 fiasco.<br /><br />The mother identified two (7, BK) aside from her son (6), and her daughter identified one (5). Those four probably helped ID 3 and 4 from the photo. 7 named all the victims in the photo when he testified (except perhaps #5).<br /><br />I can't answer why she wouldn't have warned other kids parents, except to speculate that the authorities cleared Jerry and she didn't want to slander him. She also may not have known the mothers. You'd have to talk to her about that.<br /><br />Chambers, yes, that's someone who SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE. <br /><br />Calhoun's daughter Trudy was on the witness list. He had two sons, neither of whom were on the list. I agree that this would be a negative on their father, but that's why a person with dementia is the perfect witness. If he didn't tell them what he saw in 2000 (highly doubtful) then they can't be held responsible. All the other janitors obviously kept it a secret!!!!<br /><br />Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-33206155652052651192014-02-26T19:03:35.831-05:002014-02-26T19:03:35.831-05:00Ray - I think you are correct that the missing wit...Ray - I think you are correct that the missing witnesses would have been potentially damaging to CYS, DPW and Second Mile assuming the defense asked the right questions. Hopefully, these missing witnesses will be testifying at the upcoming trials. <br /><br />The prosecution may have seen other risks with some of these witnesses that may have hurt the Curley/Schultz case. <br /><br />Didn't the mother of victim 6 help identify other victims? If the mother believed the authorities made a mistake in 1998 and Sandusky was a molester, why didn't she warn all those other kid's mothers, or Penn State or Second Mile? <br /><br />Why didn't Dr. Chambers followup with the DA, police, CYS and DPW if she and her colleagues believed Sandusky was a molester? <br /><br />Did they ever interview any of James Calhoun's family or friends to see if any of them were told? If the victim 8 story is made up then Calhoun was defamed because he looks worse than anyone for not calling the police. Tim Bertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06534135581401662154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-3756815707710519502014-02-26T18:16:41.783-05:002014-02-26T18:16:41.783-05:00This is Duke Lacrosse on steroids. And people were...This is Duke Lacrosse on steroids. And people were getting disbarred by this time. What gives here?Steve Kilpatrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16172119287672636919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-16698312027346292682014-02-26T17:13:12.564-05:002014-02-26T17:13:12.564-05:00Gregory,
Good points.
As I said, Amendola didn...Gregory,<br />Good points.<br /><br />As I said, Amendola didn't play his best game. I think he may have gotten a little squeeze locally.<br /><br />Yes, Bruce was in the golfing foursome.<br /><br />I think Curley and Schultz were expecting blow back from TSM, that's why they had DPW as the third option. If TSM wasn't going to stop Jerry from showering with kids, DPW would have done it (maybe...LOL).<br /><br />Actually, a minimum of two kids and nine counts if they wanted to press it. I'll write about this case later, because, quite frankly, Sandusky's true behavior in that case is missed by most people. It was not a one and done shower incident. Agree 100% that the fix was in when they brought in Lauro to work the case.Ray Bleharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557326921056183979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2260510730184507282.post-38729467575823520142014-02-26T16:48:26.965-05:002014-02-26T16:48:26.965-05:00The picture you paint here not only indicates chic...The picture you paint here not only indicates chicanery on the part of the OAG, but also gross negligence by Sandusky's defense team. JS was denied his 5th and 14th Amendment rights. So why is there no appeal to a Federal Court? Is Amendola in bed with the cops?<br /><br />Bruce Heim is interesting. I think that he was in the golf foursome with Captain McCombie, JS, and V2 that was mentioned in Captain McCombie's essay while running for BOT. Interesting that those 4 were playing golf together in summer 2011!<br /><br />I also do not think that the dialog between Curley and Raycovitz was too cordial. It might have gone like this: Curley "A graduate assistant observed JS showering with a boy late at night in the Lasch Building and it disturbed him. It also disturbs us, as we feel it is inappropriate behavior. We think that you should take some action, and by the way, keep your kids off of our campus" Raykovitz: "If you are implying that JS may be a pedophile, I think that you are crazy".<br /><br />You are correct that the 1998 incident should probably have been prosecuted as a misdemeanor lewd act with a child. It was, after all, the only act that JS admitted to with two cops listening in. Gricar would have to prove sexual intent, which he might have had trouble doing, and at the risk of trashing the $3 megabucks that JS was bringing into Centre County each year. It would also look very bad for DWP, who investigated the Sanduskys rigorously for adopting children and placing foster children. A black eye for the case workers, too.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946697156007688080noreply@blogger.com