2004/5 PSU MessageBoard Chat Gives Investigators New Evidence

by Barry Bozeman

A Penn State message board member has given the Screen names and names of some of Mike McQueary's friends and acquaintances to the Curley/Schultz Attorneys investigative team. These investigators have confirmed information that gives us even more doubt about Attorney General Kelly's use of Mike McQueary as the most "Credible Witness". Statements were made in chats about the 2001 locker room visit by McQueary that resulted in the current situation at PSU. 

Mike McQueary was made known to investigators in 2009 because of information posted on a message board that made it known he was an "eye or ear witness" to Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers in Feb of 2001. Remember the prosecution was insisting this was March of 2002 in the Presentment 

Few people know that Joe's conversation with McQueary happened the day after Kenny Jackson informed Joe he was leaving the staff for a job with the Steelers.  Kenny was like a son to Joe. Joe thought Mike was calling about getting Kenny's job and told McQueary that if it was about Kenny's job, he shouldn't bother coming over.  Then McQueary told him it was something else, then arrived at Joe's house and told Joe something about what he saw in the showers. 

Remember that Joe is 74 in 2001 and 84 in 2011 so he is trying to recall a 10 minute meeting a decade in the past when he testifies before the Grand Jury in Jan 2011. Joe and Mike are then both aware of several victims the Attorney General's staff is telling Mike have come forward. They want to help prosecutors any way they can. 

Sources confirm a rumor floating around that when Joe was told in Dec of 2010 that he was being subpoenaed to the Grand Jury to testify in Jan 2011 about a conversation with Mike McQueary in March of 2002 he had no idea what they were talking about. Like most aging men Joe was very protective of his ability to "be mentally sharp". The mind starts to dull as the brain ages. It happens to all of us. But men of accomplishment with strong egos are reluctant to show any weakness in their mental state. So Joe is working with Mike regularly and it's no problem for him to ask Mike "What did we talk about in this meeting in Mar. of 2002"? 

Mike has already spoken to the Grand Jury and in an effort to be helpful he is willing to tell them that he thought a sex act was taking place. When he heard the 2 or 3 slapping sounds as he entered the locker room that night sex was the first thing that ran through his mind - a coach or player and some woman are having some fun in the showers. His first impulse was to leave but when he heard no further sound he moved to his locker that gave him a view of the showers through a mirror. 

Mike never saw anything sexual in his brief 1 or 2 second glances but he did think it was something of a sexual nature from the 2 or 3 "rhythmic and sexual" slapping sounds. So MIke tells Joe "We talked about the night I saw Jerry in the shower with the young boy that I thought might be of a sexual nature'. It might have been "fondling" or something like that."

Joe is totally unconcerned that the Attorney General will be making this case about Penn State and the Football program because this "2002" event was well after Sandusky had left the coaching staff. He had no idea the Attorney General would make her blistering attack using this image and the words "He (Mike) saw a boy being subjected to anal intercourse........ and told that to Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz" with this as her backdrop:

So Joe tells that grand jury exactly what MIke told him. They were the first and only words out of his mouth about the 10 minute meeting. That would be very strange without this explanation. This was a decade after a 10 minute meeting and that's all he recalls of the conversation?  Ever wonder why it took so long for them to get the date right? It's because not very many people can they recall much about a 10 minute meeting held ten years prior. 

We also have confirmation that Mike was "guilt tripped" by the Attorney General and made to believe his failure to observe Sandusky and confirm an "obvious sex act" led to the abuse of more victims.  Once he "enhanced" his testimony to the Grand Jury he was trapped and then "coerced" with threats to his father and Doctor Dranov when he balked and threatened to go public after the Nov 8 presentment. He could either be a valued state's witness or a target of the investigation with possible charges of obstruction, failure to report and/or perjury if he didn't present his story the way they wished. Mike had said it was "extremely sexual" and now that he knew this was going to destroy Joe, Tim, Gary and PSU he couldn't back out unless he wanted to be destroyed right along with them, his father, and Dr. Dranov. 

The contents of the e-mail below and the verbal information provided has been confirmed by the source at CSI investigators and I was given permission to provide this information here from my new contact and friend who sent this email. 

"To Aurabass

Thank you for all of your work in separating fact from fiction.  I want to share with you what I have been involved doing. I pointed Curley & Schultz Investigators to statements from McQueary on the (name-redacted) messageboard chat. Mike told several members of the chat what he witnessed was only horseplay.  Essentially below is how this has transpired. The time period he posted on the message board was mid-2000’s, before he met with investigators. Unfortunately chat records from what I am told are not saved but I pointed them to several individuals who were told by Mike and also told them to access Mikes PSU computer. Investigators have spoken with several individuals who witnessed Mike playing in at least two TSM golf events. Also, I've been told that Curley finds the Freeh Fiction laughable

1.There are no posts on message boards, everything was said in chat
2.Mike McQueary used to frequent the chat under the handle "xxxx"
3. His brother John is a member of the site and goes but the name "xxxxxx" He would go into the chat under the handle of "xxxxx"
4. To confirm it was actually Mike posting as "xxxx," his brother confirmed to several people and a moderator traced the IP address back to PSU. 

5.Over the years, both Mike and John McQueary told posters with whom they became friends in chat the Sandusky story. Every person they spoke to said it was consistently described as "horseplay in the shower." That's why nobody ever took it any further. There was nothing sexual ever connected with it.

See my credibility below.  It’s not a Freeh cut and paste job… ;)This has been made available to the CSI investigators  where my contact works.
CSI Corporate Security and Investigations Mike's brother, John, goes by the name of xxxxxxx. Mike came into chats under various names, but he entered mostly under the name xxxx.Hope this helps.If I come across anything else I will let you know."  End quote of email

Later over the telephone the source confirms that these friends who knew Mike were aware of Mike's situation as described above the email. That the stories/rumors about his talk with Joe prior to the Grand Jury and his feeling that PSU and Joe were not going to be the target initially was true. Once Mike got in too deep trying to be helpful to Kelly he ended up feeling trapped and coerced. SMSS has good off the record sources for this information and confirmation from the investigation that they are following up on this gives us confidence that there is a high likelihood this is essentially how it happened that Joe and PSU are in this situation today.  

Someone in the chat room raised a question about Sandusky and rumors they had heard and that is what started the conversation in chat that led to Mike's statements about his 2001 locker room experience. 

WHY THIS INFORMATION IS SO IMPORTANT TO SMSS EFFORTS TO CLEAR JOE PATERNO and PENN STATE 

1) This information from multiple participants in these 2004 - 2005 chats on a message board site confirm the SMSS information from multiple sources about how Mike was found by the Attorney General's investigators. 
2) It helps to confirm our suspicion of why Mike testified to the Grand Jury as he did - "enhancing" his account in order to help the prosecution because he was made to feel guilty about later victims he might have "saved from abuse" by being more proactive and observant that night in 2001 
3) It confirms why he was uncertain about the year and month - an odd thing if he actually observed a blatant sex act that upset him - when he should have associated that event with Kenny Jackson. 
4) It lends substantial credence to the idea that once he testified under oath using "extremely sexual" he was trapped. He could be the State's hero whistle blower or he could be charged with Perjury, Failure to Report or obstruction if he tried to recant.and his father and Dr. Dranov were vulnerable as well. 
5) He was told that Joe was not a target and that's why he worked with Joe feeding him the "a sexual nature" and "fondling" lines that Joe repeated verbatim as the only words from a 10 minute meeting.
 6) It gives us the reason for the various testimonies and contradictions as he tries to soften the impact on Joe and PSU while satisfying prosecutors to avoid prosecution himself. 
7) It possibly informs us as to why Mike tried to testify to Freeh and why Freeh refused to take his testimony.  

We can only hope that the Schultz & Curley investigators, the investigators for the Paterno's and for Ryan McCombie & the players can get access to transcripts of these "chats" and anyone who happened to save one would do a great service to Joe and PSU by providing it. Anyone who is aware of these chats and can confirm or deny this representation should get in touch with aurabass AT yahoo Dot com immediately so you can be put in touch with these investigators trying to clear Joe Tim and Gary, overturn the NCAA Sanctions, and discredit the Freeh Report. 

It is stunning to us that it is being left to bloggers like us to uncover this information. We have been very lucky to have several people come forward lately with the same information. When we hear these very similar or identical stories from multiple sources and get confirmation from people close to the investigations we have a high degree of confidence in the information. Given that we know for certain the Attorney General lied in the Presentment and the Freeh Fiction is full of holes, errors and malicious untruth we feel confident that our objective opinion about what has transpired is at the very least more credible than the media. 

Do not give up hope. The road that leads up to light and truth is long but the road is there and we are on it. The prosecution has now rested for the most part and it is time to rally the defense. Keep that information flowing in our direction and we will get it out to the people who care. 

This is a good way to close - from the father of a current PSU football player devastated by the events of the past 9 months: What will it take to wake the sleeping giant? 

"Can a big enough "splash" ever be made again to turn the national media's head around? I am also not at all impressed by the inaction of what is supposed to be the "largest dues-paying organization in the world:" the PSU Alumni with over 500,000 members. What the hell are they waiting for? At the rate things are going - not kidding - Penn State could lose all accreditation soon. Who wants a degree from a university that's not even accredited anymore?"

If the sleeping giant that is the PSU alumni association ever rises up in righteous wrath at the damage done to a great institution by Kelly and Freeh - heaven help them.